![]() Shillelagh changes your weapon’s damage die to a d8. PAM doesn't add a new weapon though, it literally adds another attack option to an existing weapon.ġ. They also happen to be the two I find most convincing. Two of these three leave the higher die type in place. I do not find this one particularly convincing, but I won't say it isn't a way some might choose to read it. Then there is the approach that says that Polearm Master is changing the die type of the weapon to a d4, and does so after Shillelagh and Martial Arts have been applied. When the polearm is that type of weapon, you can make the replacement.Īnother approach would be to look at the two rules and say that neither is more general than the other, so application is up to the player of the character using them. Shillelagh and Martial Arts allow you to replace certain weapon dice with a different damage die. To me, Polearm Master lays out a "new" weapon - the butt end of the polearm - and gives it a damage type. The question is not about validity but about which valid case is more convincing.That is going to be pretty inherently subjective. (I can't find where I saved the other one) It might be a good place to work from when thinking about the intent of the rules, but sometimes they were intended to be silly. You can get the BA with a shield in the other hand, but you won't count as wielding a magic weapon versus a Rakshasha. Only instead of chancing upon wielding the Sword of Kas and a Moonblade at the same time, you get 1 stick.įinally, Sage Advice believes some odd things about Shillelagh. Needing to start with a nonmagical staff limits your weapon options even more than using general polearms, so this could make up for not having a good magic weaponĪlso taking a feat to get d8 damage on a bonus action attack already exists in Dual Wielder. I think allowing the larger die wouldn't be the worst. Of course, this isn't a very helpful perspective since the weapon this argument would make the most sense for, a greataxe fluffed as a poleaxe, can't use PAM anyway. Makes things make more sense IMO.I think it would make sense if the back end of the weapon retained the weapon's properties because historical weapons made use of their weight and reach when attacking with the back end. Not a heavy weapon, not a magic weapon even if the polearm normally is. Imo the PAM BA attack should be treated as a separate weapon, a club. Since it's already been established that the quarterstaff damage die is now d8 (in step 2) and since this is the final procedural step it should apply last - meaning the d4 from PAM would overwrite the d8 from shillelagh. Finally he bonus action attacks with PAM, which explicitly says, 'the weapon's damage die for this attack is a d4'. He attacks with quarterstaff dealing d8+mod damage. Quarterstaff damage die becomes a d8 instead of d6 (for one-handed) The normal procedural process flow following standard 5e play would look like: I'll try to lay it out in a bit more detail below. Your druid polearm master with shillelagh can get a d8 on his bonus action attack.I can understand the argument but I think the alternative one is better. Therefore, effects which modify a weapon's damage die would apply normally, and both shillelagh and a Monk's Martial Arts feature would change the d4 of the butt end of the weapon. Thinking about it, I would personally rule that Polearm Master is serving the same purpose as the weapons table: it is telling us the damage die type of the butt end of the polearm in question, just the same way the weapons table tells us the primary end's damage die type. Your druid polearm master with shillelagh can get a d8 on his bonus action attack. ![]() ![]() ![]() Polearm Master, however, also says, "The weapon's damage die for this attack is a d4, and the attack deals bludgeoning damage." Which means that you have to ask which is more specific: the change in the damage die for using Polearm Master, or the change in the damage die from the spell?Ī similar question arises for Monks and martial arts dice: if a monk with a d6 or higher Martial Arts die uses Polearm Master with a quarterstaff instead of the monk's usual bonus action attack (yeah, yeah, why would he? Maybe there's a special reason to be using the quarterstaff instead of an unarmed strike), does he get to replace the d4 damage die with his martial arts die, as normal? Shillelagh does say it changes the weapon's damage die. ![]()
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